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| The Off Duty Dave ![]() ![]() | Council Bluffs Reverse Sting, or Entrapment? I'm not condoning the acts of the 6 men recently arrested for soliciting prostitution on a local Craig's List advertisement, but things seem really fishy to me. First, was this the first "reverse sting" they've done to nab some public officials, including the Fire Department Union chief and a high school teacher? I've never heard of these types of busts before coming from the "erotic" section of Craig's List. Why doesn't law enforcement just answer the Craig's List ads, and arrest the women soliciting their services, if they're trying to cut down on prostitution, unless they have other things in mind? There are a lot of women advertising their services on Craig's List, and there are a lot of repeat advertisers. A person would think it be easy to russle up those ne'er do wells. Wouldn't that be easier, and take less time? From KMTV.com Quote:
The sting was held at the Country Inn and Suites in Council Bluffs, IA. I'm sure the hotel is happy about that free advertising! The Craig's List ad details how much the woman is looking for, $150 for a half hour, $250 for a full hour. Isn't that evidence that the woman already has an idea in mind of what she's going to offer her services for? Isn't SHE guilty of the same crime? Here is the ad, beware, this isn't safe for work, it's in craigslist.com's "erotic" section, not the "casual encounters" section as police and the media claim. Not just another pretty face - w4m - BEWARE, this link takes you the erotic section on Craig's List Here are the details... Quote:
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Does that old line "Are you a cop? You're not a cop are ya?" work in these transactions, or not? I guess I'd want to know what the "reverse sting" purpose was, to find drugs, to arrest johns, to catch public figures based on a tip, or what? Just curious
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| Re: Council Bluffs Reverse Sting, or Entrapment? Calm down Dave. I doubt that their sole target was public figures, cause anybody could have answered the ad,and I'm sure there were "average Joe's" caught, but nobody cares about them.
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| The Off Duty Dave ![]() ![]() | Re: Council Bluffs Reverse Sting, or Entrapment? The whole thing just sounds fishy
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| Re: Council Bluffs Reverse Sting, or Entrapment? Just watch out next time you pick up a hooker, Dave !!!
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| Re: Council Bluffs Reverse Sting, or Entrapment? Thanks for posting the ad. In answer to your question about entrapment, I'm not a lawyer but I have significant legal experience. I've read the federal case law on entrapment. It's written so strongly that you would practically have to be hijacked and forced into a crime by the police before their actions would disqualify prosecution. In this case the fact that the men answered the ad will be prima facie evidence that they ARE inclined to commit the "crime." So the real criminals here will go free, and several lives will be ruined by their actions. |
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| Re: Council Bluffs Reverse Sting, or Entrapment? To use that, wouldn't they have to show that they had this behavior before?...Or are they trying to say they know what a potential criminal is thinking? |
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| Re: Council Bluffs Reverse Sting, or Entrapment? On top of that....if using that reasoning....isn't the 'Law' is also saying that if given the opportunity, a person will break the law....the way the ad is worded aren't they are implying something may happen. Giving the person answering the ad false expectations? |
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| Re: Council Bluffs Reverse Sting, or Entrapment? Drac, I can't see that. No one made the men seek out, or answer the ad, or go to the motel, or proposition the undercover officer. All those actions are evidence of their intent, their inclination, to violate the law, especially when "she" posted her rates in the ad. They knew what they were getting into. Depending on what happened in the motel, however, it could provide enough leeway for an aggressive lawyer to argue that illegal sex wasn't on their minds, just a massage or something innocent. In that case, previous busts, such as you suggest, would be be useful to argue inclination. But the cops almost certainly have plenty enough to argue the men's inclination toward illegality. I wish it were otherwise, but that's the way it is. But then, I have't seen the videotapes. |
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| Re: Council Bluffs Reverse Sting, or Entrapment? Didn't notice the prices at first, by the Hour or Half Hour..the ad itself is implying she is selling sex....so it's ok for the 'Law' to break the law, so they can enforce the law.... Still, it's a pretty stupid thing to waste tax-payer money on..... |
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| Re: Council Bluffs Reverse Sting, or Entrapment? Thanks for the welcome. Yeah, what a waste of money and lives. Unfortunately there is a long legal tradition of cops being allowed to break a number of laws to investigate crimes, although this is one of the worst examples of them nearly creating the crime in order to catch someone breaking it. I would support stings on Congressmen and other officials involved in things like bribery, but prostitution should be legal. |
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| Re: Council Bluffs Reverse Sting, or Entrapment? Great point! I've never heard or thought of it that way before. I'll have to think about it. |
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| Re: Council Bluffs Reverse Sting, or Entrapment? And of course, they can't tax it...so it MUST be illegal.... |
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| Re: Council Bluffs Reverse Sting, or Entrapment? and yet my ads on CL for stuff for sale get pulled within 1/2 an hour and what I'm selling isn't illegal |
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| Re: Council Bluffs Reverse Sting, or Entrapment? the possible recourse for these busted guys is to hold CL responsible for allowing the ad |
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