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2ox · 12-16-2005

I have to wonder if Howard Stern lost a part of his soul today....

dkptiger · 12-16-2005

to me, it depends. if things are going that way, in terms of pay-per-radio etc...then he is a pioneer. if all the satalite radio show become what the norm is, then ofcourse he didnt...hes innovative. however, if not, if its just people who do it for the money and ability to do whatever they want (self serving) and making it harder for their fans to hear them...then yes.

its like bob costas doing that nfl show on hbo. hes the best in the business, noone will disagree....but i dont see him cause i dont pay for hbo. they dont do anything different, but im betting they get more scratch than espn or whatever. is that selling out....time will tell. but right now the answer is yes

Daphne · 12-16-2005

I'm not going to pay to listen him, but then again I wouldn't listen to him for free

shutterbug · 12-16-2005

On one hand I say yes on one no, I do not think you can blame anyone for going where the money is, but I think also in his case he can not do the show he used to do and wants to do and this is going to give hime the freedon to do so, look at TnT they just talked about it a couple of days ago again that they have had to make changes, I think stern is just trying to get on his own terms again and I think you were going to see more stations dumping him because they are scared.

2ox · 12-16-2005

The Godfather of "Shock Jock Radio" plain and simply sold out. Hes fought before early on in his career to get to do the type of show he wanted to and won. Now hes giving up the fight. Hes taking the easy, big money road out.

When the next subversive comes along and he/she will some day. Political correctness will once again be smashed back to reality by the power of words.

And I cant wait!!!

mike · 12-16-2005

Another way to look at this.The man has been in radio a long,long time.He's getting old.Maybe he's just tired of fighting the horses**t.

2ox · 12-16-2005

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Originally Posted by mike

Another way to look at this.The man has been in radio a long,long time.He's getting old.Maybe he's just tired of fighting the horses**t.

maybe hes looking at the retirement package mike........

mike · 12-16-2005

Exactly,that's what I am talking about.

Lost 1 · 12-19-2005

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Originally Posted by dkptiger

to me, it depends. if things are going that way, in terms of pay-per-radio etc...then he is a pioneer. if all the satalite radio show become what the norm is, then ofcourse he didnt...hes innovative.

Stern ( or Hoo Hoo) is not a "pioneer". Opie and Anthony have been on XM for over a year. Stern is not worth the $500 million contract if you ask me.

XM is the way to go. Satellite radio is the greatest thing ever. The best part about it is no more annoying commercials. Not that XM is without commercials but at least they are not as bad.

dkptiger · 12-19-2005

hey i had a question. ever been with a sexy lady before and not a prostitute.....if not let me indulge you

you have to pretend you like it. then you find out you do like it but your not paying for it. then you find out all you have to do is smile and nod while they say some BS then you get the puss.

bottom line.....opie and anthony sold out. so did stern. until we all have XM or Sirus or whatever...its selling out.

back when i did radio, we did it for the listeners.....who tuned in for fun... not cause they paid for it

3years_atJBG · 12-19-2005

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Originally Posted by dkptiger

bottom line.....opie and anthony sold out.

I don't that what happened to O and A qualifies as selling out. They were fired and subsequently black listed after the "incident".

http://radio.about.com/library/weekly/aa082402a.htm

Then they were in exile for two years before being picked up by XM.

Lost 1 · 12-20-2005

sorry about the double post.

I don't think Stern or O&A sold out.

Selling out means changing yourself or your show (in this case) to appease someone. I think I spelled that right. Anyway, Stern's show will be the same crap that it was (with actual swearing), and O&A's show is still the same as it was before they got canned.

That's my opinion.

dkptiger · 12-20-2005

thats not the only definition of selling out. selling out can also mean taking more money and doing something against the wishes of your fans, following.

if your taking more money, and making your fans pay more.....that can be seen as selling out. plain and simple

mike · 12-20-2005

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Originally Posted by dkptiger

thats not the only definition of selling out. selling out can also mean taking more money and doing something against the wishes of your fans, following.

if your taking more money, and making your fans pay more.....that can be seen as selling out. plain and simple

So then by your definition.For example,if TnT were offered more money in another city to do the exact same show they are doing now,that would be selling out?No it isn't.That's called looking after your family.

dkptiger · 12-20-2005

wrong. we all do stuff for self benifit because you have to look out for yourself and your familiy first. but there is a big difference in doing something to get more money and feeding your family. but stern isnt just leaving the city...what he is doing is requiring anyone to hear him to go out and buy special equiptment and spend a fee to hear him...all while he makes more money.

textbook selling out. if you have the ability to re-neg your contract and try for more money you should. but that doesnt mean its not selling out...just like if a player goes to a better team for more money...hes selling out to his fans in that city, even if he is making a decision for his family. 10 mil to 20 mil, hows he getting by.

hell, it can be considered selling out if you change jobs and do something you dont love just so you can make more money...when you could be doing what you want but being poor. it makes sence to move, but you are probably selling out. people do it all the time...it is what it is :)

mike · 12-20-2005

I think we are going to have to agree to disagree.

My definition plain and simple is this.If you purposely change the way you do something just for the benefit of more money,you have sold out.

dkptiger · 12-20-2005

i agree with your definition, but i think it extends to what you do, not just how you do it. i think anytime you change for the $$$ and you are seemingly the only one who benefits.....well

Daphne · 12-20-2005

I don't know if I would call it "Selling Out" but I think he is going to lose his ass.....he's done.... he was done a long time ago

dkptiger · 12-21-2005

in related news....last night at the bar i was very excited to see that johnny damon agreed to a deal with the yankees. is that selling out? he took more money to play for his fans rival. selling out is bullshit because its usually someone elses opinion, but im just pointing out that it happens all the time..its still selling out

2ox · 12-21-2005

baseball itself sold out years ago dk. Free agency killed its innocence. professional sports in general sold out when that happened.

Stern gave up on trying to do what hes done for years....push the envelope. Johnny Damen is a tool in a great big corporate machine....a little different.

It will be interesting to see how the NY sports fans and media welcome him though.

dkptiger · 12-21-2005

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Originally Posted by 2ox

baseball itself sold out years ago dk. Free agency killed its innocence. professional sports in general sold out when that happened.

Stern gave up on trying to do what hes done for years....push the envelope. Johnny Damen is a tool in a great big corporate machine....a little different.

It will be interesting to see how the NY sports fans and media welcome him though.

couldnt you say the same thing about radio...since the emergence of the likes of clear channel and syndication and sirius etc etc...its becoming corporate. anyway, you proved my point. its all selling out. im just appealing to the fact that was posed in the initial question, did stern sell out. making a big difference between baseball and radio may be true in practice, but the point is the same. when you take more money and turn your back on fans its selling out....ill say it till im blue in the face

2ox · 12-21-2005

dk...It would be safe to say I suppose....that everyone that moves on for more money, benefits, bigger better lifestyle etc... sell a little tiny bit of thier soul each time they do it.

We are all raised to believe in loyalty and to be a team player. But what it "generally" boils down to is that each one of us, no matter what, where, when and how, are in the game for him/herself.

The question is.....How much of your soul are you willing to sell?

Stern sold it all!

dkptiger · 12-21-2005

i couldnt agree more

2ox · 01-05-2006

"For lack of a better term....greed is good." The Gordon Gecko of radio.

mike · 01-05-2006

Nice "Wall Street" reference.

12-16-2005	#1
2ox proud beta test subject Listens: I don't listen Join Date: May 2005 Location: on the poor side of town Age: 44 Posts: 3,312	Did Stern Sell Out? I have to wonder if Howard Stern lost a part of his soul today.... __________________ "Sheep go to heaven, goats go to Daves"

12-16-2005	#4
shutterbug Off The Deep End Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Middle of Nowhere Age: 32 Posts: 1,123	On one hand I say yes on one no, I do not think you can blame anyone for going where the money is, but I think also in his case he can not do the show he used to do and wants to do and this is going to give hime the freedon to do so, look at TnT they just talked about it a couple of days ago again that they have had to make changes, I think stern is just trying to get on his own terms again and I think you were going to see more stations dumping him because they are scared. __________________ I've never heard you talk like that... Are we about to get it on? Because I'm as hard as a diamond in an ice storm right now.

12-16-2005	#5
2ox proud beta test subject Listens: I don't listen Join Date: May 2005 Location: on the poor side of town Age: 44 Posts: 3,312	The Godfather of "Shock Jock Radio" plain and simply sold out. Hes fought before early on in his career to get to do the type of show he wanted to and won. Now hes giving up the fight. Hes taking the easy, big money road out. When the next subversive comes along and he/she will some day. Political correctness will once again be smashed back to reality by the power of words. And I cant wait!!! __________________ "Sheep go to heaven, goats go to Daves"

12-16-2005	#6
mike Drugs Are Better Than Pugs - Just Say No Listens: Z92 - Mornings Join Date: May 2005 Age: 36 Posts: 12,695	Another way to look at this.The man has been in radio a long,long time.He's getting old.Maybe he's just tired of fighting the horses**t. __________________ "Black Tony isn't salty, he's creamy"- Travis Justice

12-16-2005	#8
mike Drugs Are Better Than Pugs - Just Say No Listens: Z92 - Mornings Join Date: May 2005 Age: 36 Posts: 12,695	Exactly,that's what I am talking about. __________________ "Black Tony isn't salty, he's creamy"- Travis Justice

12-16-2005	#2
dkptiger is still drinking Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: by the old station Age: 25 Posts: 195	to me, it depends. if things are going that way, in terms of pay-per-radio etc...then he is a pioneer. if all the satalite radio show become what the norm is, then ofcourse he didnt...hes innovative. however, if not, if its just people who do it for the money and ability to do whatever they want (self serving) and making it harder for their fans to hear them...then yes. its like bob costas doing that nfl show on hbo. hes the best in the business, noone will disagree....but i dont see him cause i dont pay for hbo. they dont do anything different, but im betting they get more scratch than espn or whatever. is that selling out....time will tell. but right now the answer is yes

12-16-2005	#3
Daphne Special Members Listens: Z92 - Mornings Join Date: Jul 2005 Age: 86 Posts: 1,077	I'm not going to pay to listen him, but then again I wouldn't listen to him for free

12-19-2005	#10
dkptiger is still drinking Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: by the old station Age: 25 Posts: 195	hey i had a question. ever been with a sexy lady before and not a prostitute.....if not let me indulge you you have to pretend you like it. then you find out you do like it but your not paying for it. then you find out all you have to do is smile and nod while they say some BS then you get the puss. bottom line.....opie and anthony sold out. so did stern. until we all have XM or Sirus or whatever...its selling out. back when i did radio, we did it for the listeners.....who tuned in for fun... not cause they paid for it

12-20-2005	#12
Lost 1 It won't stop bleeding! Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 24	sorry about the double post. I don't think Stern or O&A sold out. Selling out means changing yourself or your show (in this case) to appease someone. I think I spelled that right. Anyway, Stern's show will be the same crap that it was (with actual swearing), and O&A's show is still the same as it was before they got canned. That's my opinion. __________________ Not a fan, but who cares? Opie & Anthony= more gooder. http://wackbag.com

12-21-2005	#19
dkptiger is still drinking Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: by the old station Age: 25 Posts: 195	in related news....last night at the bar i was very excited to see that johnny damon agreed to a deal with the yankees. is that selling out? he took more money to play for his fans rival. selling out is bullshit because its usually someone elses opinion, but im just pointing out that it happens all the time..its still selling out

01-05-2006	#24
2ox proud beta test subject Listens: I don't listen Join Date: May 2005 Location: on the poor side of town Age: 44 Posts: 3,312	"For lack of a better term....greed is good." The Gordon Gecko of radio. __________________ "Sheep go to heaven, goats go to Daves"

01-05-2006	#25
mike Drugs Are Better Than Pugs - Just Say No Listens: Z92 - Mornings Join Date: May 2005 Age: 36 Posts: 12,695	Nice "Wall Street" reference. __________________ "Black Tony isn't salty, he's creamy"- Travis Justice

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