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mike

Sorry.. Illegal..

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guidothekillerpimp

Yeah , you're right! Its actually more of the employers fault!!!! But they(mexicans) are still willing to work for chump change and its killing the rest of us! If they were legal they could demand a more appropriate wage for what they do and then they would be payin taxes.... Then it would be all good in the hood by me!

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lilyvon schtupp

are you saying that employers aren't taking out taxes from their checks? that the illegals are being paid under the table in cash?
when they shop, are they not paying sales tax?
in the odd circumstance that they may be buying a house, how would they go about getting it tax free, i wanna know, so i can do it that way.
if they aren't buying a home, how is their not paying tax on not buying any different than when americans don't pay tax when they aren't buying?
and what are these jobs that illegals are taking for less pay? walmart jobs? oh, you know walmart has always been a haven for the jet-set.
i have worked in a company that had illegals working, not hired because they were cheaper...hired because the illegals broke the law, hired because they only background checks that are allowed is to check the social security number and the only thing the SS tells you is that it's a valid number, not who's it is, or where the person is from. but let me add that everyone was paid by check, by a payroll department that took out taxes (yes, i was the check handler, so, yes, i could look at the checks)
tell me, what taxes aren't illegals paying that you are?

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guidothekillerpimp

I believe i said construction and yes they are being paid under the table! So that is a tax they are not paying that i am. And buying a house are you kidding me! The guys i work with have 4 families living in a 2 bedroom apartment. .... And the ones using stolen s.s.n. Its not real hard to figure out that a mexican that barely speaks english name is not Bill Reynolds!

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Thender

How they do it here in this town is they get a young child over the age of 14 who is a legal resident to purchase the house. Then they move in 4 families. And when they come into my business they want to pay cash if I'll knock the sales tax off the bill.... I will not do it, of course, but I'm sure there are other businesses that do...

I have a friend in Omaha who has a yard business. One day when he was working on a yard a Mexican went up to the homeowner and said he take care of his yard for 50% less than he was paying my friend...

Of course he could work for less. Not having to pay insurance or taxes...

Illegal as hell but they get away with it...

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RyanB.

most rent from "slum" lords. You've seen em. Low income housing with a Caddy parked in the front.

deutsch1979

On that note... would Imus be fired if he were black? Sorry, couldn't resist.


Screw it all, I am moving to Canada.

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deutsch1979

I've already spoken my piece about this. It gets me wound up.

What I really hate is walking into walmart and now finding my favorite creamer written in spanish too!

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lilyvon schtupp

que?
i still don't believe that the majority of illegals are off the books
i'm not even going into the living with yer family cuz gawd forbid that americans might have the wherewithall to not toss their old folks into a home and actually take the time to take care of their family
not to get too far off topic
but where's the outcry about americans who have no clue about their own health and the drain they put on the tax resources by being overweight smoking fast-food eating jabba-the-huts... right there is my own personal incentive for not wanting to pay taxes, what about my white male coworker (who makes more money than me for less work i might add) who won't put his name on his baby's birthcirtificate so that his baby's momma can get state support
wait wait there's more
if all these illegals filed taxes at the end of the year, how many of them would actually have to pay into the IRS?
hmmm,
$15,100$61,300$1,510.00 plus 15% of the amount over 15,100
i'm betting most illegals are paid in this range, this is the married rate, the other tax tables have less taxes, let's assume that they have 3 kids (cuz you guys say they have super big families) so there's 3k right off the top, so then they'd be getting practically $1500 back, how quickly would the IRS be drained if the illegals filed income tax?

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deutsch1979

Wells lets be honest about income tax here. Why does the government even collect then from those who don't make over a certain wage? Its because the IRS is BORROWING the money from you and making interest off of the taxes you pay in. You are a financial institution. You lend them money that they make such a dollar amount off of. Certainly they don't make a whole lot off of yours alone but you group your taxes with several hundred thousand others who will see theirs back at end of year and you got a hefty interest rate they just made.

Banks do this too...when you bill pay. So does the State of Nebraska Child Support Enforcement Center. When they receive your funds, they hold it for no more than two days (law) and make money out of their super fund account, from interest off your $$$.

As for dead beat dads...can't say anything good about them. Can't defend them. Most illegals seeking no legal status in the US are OFF the books. Most who are, still aren't paying in taxes. If they were using someones SSN, don't you think the tax man would be knocking on your door and demanding an Audit on you if some illegal was using your SSN for wages? This is money that you, the SSN holder was not claiming on your taxes.

I think they, if anything, likely use an honest Mexicans greencard to be gainfully employed. Most employers need that to comply with the law.

As for the rest, we could go into a bunch of others foes about the white man in America....yes, there are deadbeats but they aren't draining our country like MILLIONS of illegals are.

If they'd settle for working and not taking from government assistance as well, I wouldn't have as much of a problem.

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lilyvon schtupp

i wasn't talking about a dead beat dad
but a man living with his working woman and child
&
when i say "off the books", i'm not saying that they are here legally
but rather, they are ON payrolls (whether it's with their own name & SS # or not that they are using)

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lilyvon schtupp

ok, this is my last post here unless someone can pull up actual FACTS to counter this:

Knight Ridder/Tribune News Service
May 1, 2006
Illegal Immigrants are Paying a Lot More Taxes Than You Think
Eight million illegals pay Social Security, Medicare, and income taxes
By Shikha Dalmia

Denying public services to people who pay their taxes is an affront to America's bedrock belief in fairness. But many "pull-up-the-drawbridge" politicians want to do just that when it comes to illegal immigrants.
The fact that illegal immigrants pay taxes at all will come as news to many Americans. A stunning two-thirds of illegal immigrants pay Medicare, Social Security and personal income taxes. Yet, nativists like Congressman Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., have popularized the notion that illegal aliens are a colossal drain on the nation's hospitals, schools and welfare programs — consuming services that they don't pay for.
In reality, the 1996 welfare reform bill disqualified illegal immigrants from nearly all means-tested government programs including food stamps, housing assistance, Medicaid and Medicare-funded hospitalization. The only services that illegals can still get are emergency medical care and K-12 education.
Nevertheless, Tancredo and his ilk pushed a bill through the House criminalizing all aid to illegal aliens — even private acts of charity by priests, nurses and social workers. Potentially, any soup kitchen that offers so much as a free lunch to an illegal could face up to five years in prison and seizure of assets.
The Senate bill that recently collapsed would have tempered these draconian measures against private aid. But no one — Democrat or Republican — seems to oppose the idea of withholding public services. Earlier this year, Congress passed a law that requires everyone who gets Medicaid — the government-funded health care program for the poor — to offer proof of U.S. citizenship so we can avoid "theft of these benefits by illegal aliens," as Rep. Charlie Norwood, R-Ga., puts it.
But, immigrants aren't flocking to the United States to mooch off the government. According to a study by the Urban Institute, the 1996 welfare reform effort dramatically reduced the use of welfare by undocumented immigrant households, exactly as intended. And another vital thing happened in 1996: the Internal Revenue Service began issuing identification numbers to enable illegal immigrants who don't have Social Security numbers to file taxes.
One might have imagined that those fearing deportation or confronting the prospect of paying for their safety net through their own meager wages would take a pass on the IRS' scheme. Not so. Close to 8 million of the 12 million or so illegal aliens in the country today file personal income taxes using these numbers, contributing billions to federal coffers. No doubt they hope that this will one day help them acquire legal status — a plaintive expression of their desire to play by the rules and come out of the shadows.
What's more, aliens who are not self-employed have Social Security and Medicare taxes automatically withheld from their paychecks. Since undocumented workers have only fake numbers, they'll never be able to collect the benefits these taxes are meant to pay for. Last year, the revenues from these fake numbers — that the Social Security administration stashes in the “earnings suspense file” — added up to 10 percent of the Social Security surplus. The file is growing, on average, by more than $50 billion a year.
Beyond federal taxes, all illegals automatically pay state sales taxes that contribute toward the upkeep of public facilities such as roads that they use, and property taxes through their rent that contribute toward the schooling of their children. The non-partisan National Research Council found that when the taxes paid by the children of low-skilled immigrant families — most of whom are illegal — are factored in, they contribute on average $80,000 more to federal coffers than they consume.
Yes, many illegal migrants impose a strain on border communities on whose doorstep they first arrive, broke and unemployed. To solve this problem equitably, these communities ought to receive the surplus taxes that federal government collects from immigrants. But the real reason border communities are strained is the lack of a guest worker program. Such a program would match willing workers with willing employers in advance so that they wouldn't be stuck for long periods where they disembark while searching for jobs.
The cost of undocumented aliens is an issue that immigrant bashers have created to whip up indignation against people they don't want here in the first place. With the Senate having just returned from yet another vacation and promising to revisit the stalled immigration bill, politicians ought to set the record straight: Illegals are not milking the government. If anything, it is the other way around.
Shikha Dalmia is a senior analyst at Reason Foundation, a free-market think tank. This column was originally distributed by the Knight Ridder/Tribune News Service.

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Bud

Garth Brooks and Robert Duvall on a Saturday Night Live game show. It's a classic. I wish I could find a video of it but I did find the transcript.

Who's More Grizzled?

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deutsch1979

In my first example, I used a household that had an American Mother and a child with an illegal. So, given that, I have seen ALOT of this. Illegal alien makes money while mom draws off of welfare system. The reports never reflect that.

Aside from that, there is this. Keep in mind what I just posted about my first post.
The National Research Council has estimated that the net fiscal cost of immigration ranges from $11 billion to $22 billion per year, with most government expenditures on immigrants coming from state and local coffers, while most taxes paid by immigrants go to the federal treasury. The net deficit is caused by a low level of tax payments by immigrants, because they are disproportionately low-skilled and thus earn low wages, and a higher rate of consumption of government services, both because of their relative poverty and their higher fertility.
This is especially true of illegal immigration. Even though illegal aliens make little use of welfare, from which they are generally barred, the costs of illegal immigration in terms of government expenditures for education, criminal justice, and emergency medical care are significant. California has estimated that the net cost to the state of providing government services to illegal immigrants approached $3 billion during a single fiscal year. The fact that states must bear the cost of federal failure turns illegal immigration, in effect, into one of the largest unfunded federal mandates.
Center for Immigration Studies

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Bud

I'm stealing this from another site.


The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control illegal immigration.

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fayeann

I think immigration would not be such a major problem if the Mexican Government got their shit together. They are obviously corrupt and sad excuses for leadership.
I think most Mexicans would prefer to stay in Mexico and probably would if their economy wasnt so crappy.
So if we are going to invest money to improve immigration control, how about starting with the main issue? Make a game plan with the Mexican Government to improve education and become more competitive with the rest of the world.

Happy Friday!

Faye Ann

mike

on something like this, we cannot "force" Mexico to change their government

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fayeann

I am not saying to force anything. I am saying we should attempt to create alliances with their government. It would be a win win if we planned it correctly.
They are a 3rd world country. It would help their economy and keep more Mexicans in Mexico. Isnt that more of a plan than just building more walls. They should do both.

mike

First off, and I'm not trying to pick a fight............but how many 3rd world countries are we HONESTLY friends with? I can name 3..... Saudi, Israel, and Turkey .


Second, we can't help our own economy do anything that is worth a shit it seems.

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Thender

Drugs and Mafia drive their government and until they get rid of the corruption nothing will ever change... Instead of crossing the border for a better life they need to unite and take over their country. But that will never happen...

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fayeann

everything you said is true. there are alot of people that live their or are from there that are not corrupt. do you think it would be better to leave it alone or try some different things to offer some development so they arent weighing down our economy. i was thinking trying an alliance with mexico that gives them incentive to develop their people. who knows. that is what most mexicans tell me would keep them in mexico.

Thender

Problem is their corruption has spread into our Government, and I believe it goes right to the top, if not indirectly... Why would two Border Guards be railroaded into jail for doing their job and the President won't take any action to pardon them? Why do prominent Presidential hopefuls and others seeking re-election continue to skirt the issue or offer up do nothing proposals to the growing problem?

This election won't be about the war, or welfare, or universal health care. (Witch is all they wanna pitch at their debates.) It will be hinged on Illegal Immigration...

In my humble opinion....

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mike

You say change their gov't as if they have any motivation at all to change.

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Thender

That's just it... They are sheep just like us... Always looking for the easy way out...

Just like one of my customers said last week... "The politicians say that that the illegals take jobs that Americans don't want..... But if we cut the welfare system then those Americans will be hungry enough to want those jobs."

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mike

There is a point to be made for that....to a certain extent

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