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lilyvon schtupp

today, the guys at TNT talked to Eddie Izzard who happenes to be a cross dresser... i'm not so sure they understood the rationale behind a man who dresses as a woman
there are many reasons for a man to dress as a woman
let's start with the different definitions to avoid confusion
American Heritage New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition - Cite This Source
transvestite


Someone who dresses in the clothes usually worn by the opposite sex. Transvestites may be bisexual, heterosexual, or homosexual (see bisexuality, heterosexuality, and homosexuality).


transexual
noun1. a person who has undergone a sex change operation [syn: transsexual] 2. a person whose sexual identification is entirely with the opposite sex

drag queen A male transvestite; also, a female impersonator. For example, He was surprised to find out that Roxanne was actually a drag queen. This term uses the slang noun drag in the sense of "female attire worn by a man" (a usage dating from about 1870; also see in drag). [Offensive slang; c. 1940]

cross dressing
nounthe practice of adopting the clothes or the manner or the sexual role of the opposite sex [syn: transvestism]
clear as mud???
well, transexuals are not necessarily homosexuals in as much as they are "born" into the wrong body, when transexuals cross-dress they are doing so in order to put forth the social accepted view that they are of that (dressed) sex.

drag queens are inevitably homosexuals who dress as women for much the same reason that heterosexual men do

hetero cross dressers and the reasons they like to dress as women...

men these days don't have the opportunity that women do to go through a ritual in order to make themselves look good and sexy, the do not have the pomp&circumstance that surrounds a woman who is "made up"... in a society that tells men that all they need is a tee-shirt and jeans there are men that want more, they want to stand in front of the mirror and contemplate their skin, they want to obsess over their bellies, they want their feet to look petit and slight instead of oafish and hammertoed
men who cross dress only want to spend TIME with themselves in a society that tells them that that is "unmanly" and that the ones who can spend time on themselves happen to be female, so that is where they turn for inspiration

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Thender

Reason = they are "touched" in the head

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lilyvon schtupp

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Thender

Exactly...

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lilyvon schtupp

ya know
the psyciatraic community hasn't considered
homosexuality a mental illness for a real long time

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Thender

psyciatrists are over paid thinkers....

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lilyvon schtupp

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Thender

WAY way too much....

Pysciatrists are just another product of society...

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drunkrupp

amen to that!

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ReverendJohnnyMayhem

I have no problem with that, it's a good rule of thumb to think before you grope. (I learned that running in the Denver goth scene)

That and the best thing about wearing a skirt is it's so much easier to freeball.

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lilyvon schtupp

yeah, i think the goth scene is the closest that
"men" can get to being straight and in drag
without being thought to be totally gay

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Dave

That's what I learned yesterday from the show. You can wear a dress, and it isn't considered being "in drag". Sometimes a man might just want to wear a dress, and not necessarily want to impersonate a woman.

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deutsch1979

Was there a Wife Swap or the similar show that had a man in a kilt and the wife had the new man get into one? This man continued to wear the skirts long after the show was over.

My bf is Scottish and they do the kilt stuff at weddings. Only reason I want to marry him, see him in a skirt errr...kilt.

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Dave

I'll wear a skort, but I draw the line at a skirt. That doesn't make me half gay does it?

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deutsch1979

But to the eye of the viewer, it would be a skirt.

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lilyvon schtupp

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ReverendJohnnyMayhem

Although utilikilts are expensive, they are definatly fucking worth every penny!



That and I have some long skirts when I wanna glam out too, but the real hard part to find the right one is finding one that has pockets.

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lilyvon schtupp

no shit
maybe we need to return to the days when there were aprons with pockets that you tied around yer waist (over 100 years ago)

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lilyvon schtupp

Makeup For … Men?

Thanks to macho products such as concealer, powder and, yes, mascara, today's man is taking his grooming to new heights.

By Lauren Sherman
Don't be surprised if very soon your toiletry kit contains not only shaving cream, deodorant and toothpaste, but concealer, oil-absorbing face powder and brow gel.
That's because guys are relying on an increasing number of made-for-men products like these to put their best face forward.
"I think men are much more receptive to the whole grooming concept from start to finish. Makeup is sort of the final frontier," says Wendy Lewis, a beauty consultant and author of The Beauty Battle: An Insider's Guide to Wrinkle Rescue and Cosmetic Perfection from Head to Toe. "They're certainly concerned about camouflaging imperfections. The idea of a little light dusting of powder is no longer an extreme measure."
In Pictures: Makeup For… Men?
Experts say it's only natural that men would turn to makeup to look their best. Grooming, after all, has never been more acceptable. Last year, $4.8 million was spent on male grooming products in the U.S., a 7% increase over the year before and a whopping 42% increase from 2001, according to Euromonitor, a London-based marketing and research company.
And while still not the norm, makeup--including products from Clinique, Clarins and Jean Paul Gaultier--has become a more common part of the male beauty routine. Walk into megastores like Sephora or Macy's and you'll find a variety of masculine beauty products including bronzer and face masks. Clarin's Self-Tanning Gel for Men, for example, amps up skin color while evening out skin tone.
Buff And Bronzed
KenMen, a Montreal-based cosmetics line founded in 2004 by Lee Gilbert, includes skin tints, body and face highlighter, and skin correcting sticks (otherwise known as concealer).
"My makeup artist friends were looking for a product for men that didn't scream, 'Look, I'm wearing makeup,' " she says. In the past year, she has seen a nearly 30% increase in online sales at KenMen Cosmetics - Men Shaving, Makeup, Grooming, Men Skin and Body care, which also serves as an anonymous forum where men can ask about cosmetics without having to approach a salesperson at the beauty counter. Gilbert says makeup, not skin care products, account for a greater chunk of those sales.
"Men don't want a ton of choices," she says. "What they're really, really interested in is education."
That includes learning more about the beard and eyebrow corrector--filler that disguises sparse patches of hair--or learning how to apply KenMen's best-selling bronzer.
Can You Keep A Secret?
Holly Doss, a Los Angeles-based makeup artist with an eponymous cosmetics brand, also believes discretion is the key to introducing men to makeup.
"Most of the feedback I've gotten,” she says, "is that they want to buy makeup without ever having to leave their home. They don't want to go and try anything out in 'real life.' "
Doss, who has worked in the entertainment industry under the tutelage of celebrity makeup artist Trish McEvoy, primarily sells foundation and concealer from her unisex line to men who want to look polished, but not pretty. She says they like that they can use their fingers for a fuss-free application.
Polished and Powerful
OK, it does the job. But is manly makeup here to stay? Gilbert thinks so.
"In order to get that competitive edge, they have to look better," she says. "They're going to do whatever it takes--and there are products out there that can help them achieve this.”

if this trend continues, i'll bet we see fewer crossdressers

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Thender

I don't think so........

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ReverendJohnnyMayhem

dude, chicks dig guys in eyeliner, as for all that other crap, probibly not.

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lilyvon schtupp

i like smooth skin
don't need no rugburn from giving a kiss or two

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He died at the age of 92 beneath my painting of Leonardo's Last Supper (now renamed The Last Cuppa) on the guest bedroom wall. He had a cup of tea at his lips held by my mother saying, "Buck up, Dad. You can't refuse a cup of tea. You've never refused a cup of tea in your life." He only did so the once.-- ralph steadman